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Location: NW Indiana / SE Florida | I started the thread below a little while ago to inquire about some oily soot residue I was seeing around the upper exhaust outlet and on the transom:
http://www.thehulltruth.com/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=182205&posts...
I had it checked out by a local Evinrude servicing dealer, they went all through the motor and could not find anything wrong. They confirmed the motor was set up for XD-100 oil and checked all of the items recommended on this forum, plus they contacted BRP. Their conclusion was that since the motor only has 21 hours on it, the sooting must be due to the extra oil used in the break in. They claim it is only noticable since the motor is white. But that doesn't explain the residue on the transom.
I plan on running the boat this weekend, I'll scrub it clean before I go out and will see if it is still sooting.
Have any other E-TEC 90 owners noticied this issue? When does it go away?
The motor runs perfectly, I have no complaints at all except for the soot I see.
As always, advice from the knowledge here is greatly appreciated. |
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Location: Clinton, CT | I've not noticed what you've described(had motor two seasons now).
Even in the first "extra-oil" period. I know it's no help but now that you're beyond that 20 mile mark, I'll be waiting to see if it stops for you.
Good Luck! |
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Location: Baldwin, LA | I have the E-Tec 90, 2008, salt water, white model, which I purchased in August 2007. I am using the XD-50 oil. I have run two gallons of oil through the motor so at 50:1, I have burned approximately 100 gallons of gas total through it. After each trip I get a little soot where there is some space between the lower unit and upper housing. It is very light and wipes off with a dry cloth. Never noticed any on the boat but I do wipe the motor an boat down after each use. |
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Location: New Orleans | I have one as well with about 35 hours on it. It's blue, so maybe I just haven't noticed it, but to my knowlege I am not having this problem. Motor has been flawless in every way. I run XD-50. |
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Location: Clinton, CT | I didn't add that I'm using XD-100 since day 1. |
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| I have a 250, have been using XD-100 going on three years and have the same issue. Its just a nuisance, especially in the boat lift where it is more difficult to get at. Ideling and trolling exacerbate the issue. I understand it is carbon as opposed to oil and it looks like that when you clean it off. Get used to it. The motor runs great. |
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Location: NW Indiana / SE Florida | If this is supposed to be normal for an E-TEC, it is not mentioned in their informercials or in the owners manuals. |
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Location: Lanoka Harbor, NJ | pfithian - thats what I was telling. It is normal, my ficht was getting it as well.. Do you get that annoying back drip from under the cowling while tilted up?
I used to scrub the crap out of my boat after every trip, splashwell was always greasy and black from soot.. Going to a four stroke eliminated that altogether. Informercial says lower emmisions, not sure if I buy that, again constant dripping oil and black soot all over does not add up to an environmentally friendly engine... I guess thats why they called it an infomercial..
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Location: NW Indiana / SE Florida | No black drip or anything like that, I have seen that on my 1995 Johnson 90 HP that has provided perfect service. It is just too expensive to fix and is not that big of a deal, I just put some absorbant cloth inside the bottom front cowling to catch it.
But the exhaust soot on the 90 E-TEC does not seem to be common. Hopefully, it will go away in time!
But let's hope this post doesn't go down the 4 stroke is better than E-TEC canyon! |
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| I had/have the same issue with my e-tech 90 . I have 60 hrs on my e-tec...and since I started trolling more I realize the fume smell and the soot building up where you described well. I took the engine back to the dealer and they changed a bad seal . They said that the motor would not come up to idle temperature. Glued seal back in place and that that should correct the problem. But i tell you waht I went out the next day...we were trolling for a few hrs. and I still could smell some fumes....I haven't cleaned the soot back out yet , but I will and I'll keep an eye on it. If it accumulates more soot I am taking it back. The dealer didn't charge me a dime but I had to sign some paper wk. And to be honest im getting concerned about this problem. In the amount of hrs I have put (about 60+) I have put 2 gallons total on it. XD 100. I bought my third gallon (bulk)when I went and got the boat, paid $35.46 tax included.
Please keep us posted . I'd like to hear what other owners had to say and know what other dealers have to say when confronted with this issue.
NOTE: the motor (e-tech 90) is a 2007 model white runs awesome dont get me wrong . I'm thinking the fumes and soot started building up since Im trolling more now days. Do u guys troll as much? is there any other links to "trolling on a E-TEC? if so please let me know.
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Location: NW Indiana / SE Florida | I am still having the soot issue with my 2008 90 E-TEC after 45 hours of use. It appears to be getting worse. The service technicians who inspected it even water tested it and could find nothing wrong, even though they admit it is not right. But it does run well!
I am thinking about contacting BRP to see what can be done. Any suggestions? |
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Location: Pgh,Pa/Orlando/Atlanta | pfithian - 1/28/2008 7:53 AM I am still having the soot issue with my 2008 90 E-TEC after 45 hours of use. It
I am thinking about contacting BRP to see what can be done. Any suggestions?
Soot buildup on an E-TEC is not normal with XD-100 oil. It is likely to be an engine temperature issue at slow speeds. With a laptop hooked up to the motor and running in the water (not on a hose) then temp should be about 160°. The EMM printout report will also graph the engine temps at various times. There is a service bulletin about checking engine temps and how important it is.
It sounds like a call to Evinrude customer service is in order. 847-689-7090 and have the serial number ready. |
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Location: NW Indiana / SE Florida | From the engine history report, the majority of time the engine has been operating at 140-157 Deg F, highest reading was 158-175 Deg F. Compression on the cylinders measures 135-130-135. They did water test it with instrumentation and found nothing wrong. The engine has been through 145 start cycles. |
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Location: CT | I'm curious to know this: what does the engine RPM profile look like from the report? |
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Location: NW Indiana / SE Florida | Most of the engine time has been between 1000 and 2499 RPM, we've been doing a lot of trolling in the ocean. |
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Location: Columbia,S.C. | Your engine temp looks a little low. |
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| pfithian - 1/28/2008 5:49 AM
From the engine history report, the majority of time the engine has been operating at 140-157 Deg F, highest reading was 158-175 Deg F.
Does the report say what the engine temp was at the time of the report?
As a rule of thumb, the % of time below 1500 rpm should be close to the % of time at around 158-175°. |
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Location: NW Indiana / SE Florida | I contacted BRP, they now want me to have one of their reps look at it. I'll keep the THT readers posted on progress. |
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Location: Cape Canaveral, FL USA | pfithian. From all accounts I've heard and read about, the 90 ETEC has been an outstanding performer. Very few problems reported and BRP has been very good about working with their customers. I'm betting they take care of you in fine form. Please keep us posted on the progress.
romanonj - 1/9/2008 10:24 PM
pfithian - thats what I was telling. It is normal, my ficht was getting it as well.. Do you get that annoying back drip from under the cowling while tilted up?
I used to scrub the crap out of my boat after every trip, splashwell was always greasy and black from soot.. Going to a four stroke eliminated that altogether. Informercial says lower emmisions, not sure if I buy that, again constant dripping oil and black soot all over does not add up to an environmentally friendly engine... I guess thats why they called it an infomercial..
I haven't seen an informercial on the FICHT product like you had. The only ones I've seen were for the ETEC lineup. The EPA says ETECs have lower emissions than many (if not all) 4 strokes of same hp. Is there an inaccuracy in the ETEC infomercial in this regard? 
The early V6 Ficht engines did have a reputation for "leaking" oil. When tilted up, little amounts of oil would drip out of the throttle body and soak into the sound suppressing foam on the bottom of the engine cowling. Over time, the foam would get saturated and the oil would begin to ooze out of the cracks in the lower engine cowling. It would run down the midsection and onto the lower unit. My 2003 250 Ficht did this. My 2004 250DI did not. None of my 3 ETECs have done this.
But none of that is really relevant anyway. Fichts are not ETECs and ETECs are not Fichts.
Edited by Fletch 1/28/2008 12:00 PM
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